WOW! I enjoyed your letter and offer you my best wishes, regards, support and congratulations to you, your family and any friends in your closest circle.
May you find and live peacefully with good health, long life and happiness.
Utopiano Reformato
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Going out with a bang
by LittleToe inafter much deliberation, i decided to go "out" at the end of a public talk.
it didn't go down too well, but at least i was able to give some of my reasons for leaving.. i've put some of the details on my homepage.
i'll update it more when i get the time and the strength.
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I JUST GOT CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE!!
by terafera ini just got back from barnes and nobles... i finally got it!!
woohoo!!.
i may not see you guys for a while... i cant wait to read it.. .
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I was reading chapter 4 again last night about the "internal upheaval and restructuring". I love the word-for-word recording of Fred Franz's Gilead send-off talk in 75. Classic stuff, just classic!
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She Lives In "Shameless Luxury" -- Re...
by MDS in"...clearly now, it says `kings of the earth.
however notice this comment from the same publication on page 609 par.
and yet they also say that the "kings of the earth" are `weeping' because of her destruction.
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I enjoyed your post. It was thorough and full of very important information. You did alot of research and it shows!
However, as I lean further and further away from "traditional" interpretations, I have been thinking about the indentity of the harlot and I have a different idea.
Given the global ties all world economies share, and the political instability around the world, I am guessing that the Harlot is the concept of "AMERICA". AMERICA is like a drug to foreigners. They dream of coming here, living here, becoming wealthy here, and studying here, that's why people risk their lives and break laws to come in the first place. The ideas that the US is a melting pot, the land of the free, streets paved with gold, land of opportunity are abstract, therefore conceptual.
Doesn't AMERICA and americans appear to be living in shameless luxury, while the rest of the world suffers? Foreigners think so! Our government is corrupt and plots, schemes, maneuvers, manipulates, infiltrates, intimidates and coerces other governments in matters of policy, economics, human rights, religion, and the environment. This country is the most influential on all mankind.
I think the harlot is a concept or idea affecting the world of mankind. People everywhere are "drunk" with our pop cultures, sub-cultures and our brand of materialism. Our media and entertainment industries have everyone in trance like states and in awe of how anyone can make it!
The concept of the richest country in the world amidst a global struggle of poverty and conflict is evident today. The kings who stand aside might be the European Union while the kings who destroy her might be the rest of the kings (Arab nations, China, Russia).
In order to preserve themselves, do you think the europeans would wage all out global war to protect and preserve America? I think if they had to face China, Russia and the Middle East, they would not. They have been very apprehensive throughout the war on terrorism and not much has been heard from Russia and China in the way of opposition.
But, now with Bush making boastful claims and threatening IRAN, IRAQ and NORTH KOREA, the possibilities of a WWIII are even more realistic.
Imagine the scene; the US fighting with the UK on several fronts against IRAN, IRAQ, NORTH KOREA, AFGHANISTAN, and then imagine other arab nations waging war against ISRAEL, while RUSSIA and CHINA sit idly by letting the ANGLO-AMERICANS deplete their resources in an attrition war they cannot win without escalating to nuclear levels.
Imagine that after a short time, the losses begin and americans and british soldiers begin dying and the casualties begin mounting. Then, european support begins to fade, protests begin at home and abroad against continuing the war on terrorism and support fades. Imagine domestic economic issues begin affecting global trade, and political scandals surface in the media and popular support and patriotism dwindles. Wasn't it "KANSAS" who sang "nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky, and all your money won't another minute buy" in "Dust in the Wind"? Think about that.
RUSSIA and CHINA would love to have financial power like the US and assert themselves as future leaders of the world. I think "TEARS for FEARS" said it best in 84', "everybody wants to rule the world".
You see, when vivid and imaginative images are brought to life on paper or media, they are powerful and stimulating. The images in Revelation are the same. I once heard someone say they thought whoever wrote it accidentally stumbled onto opium or psilocybin. Interpretations can be conjured, applied and compared to almost anything at anytime.
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Recent JW EXPEDITIONS TO MOUNT ARARAT
by Utopian Reformist indespite the apparent redundancy, i would like to introduce the subject from a different perspective.
around 1996 i came in contact with a jw pioneer named "francesco annunziata" from naples, italy.. francesco was involved with a man (inactive jw) named angelo palego, with whom he has made several expeditions to mt.
ararat searching the famous ahora gorge for remnants of the ark.. the majority of the more technical and geological/scientific information is in italian, but there is enough information posted in english to merit attention.. i posted this subject in an effort to move away from discussing the flood, size of the flood and/or location of the flood.
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I am expecting a reply today. I literally asked about both versions of the same picture, and whether or not either one was doctored.
Whatever answer I receive will be posted here ASAP.
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Focus: Who is JOEL GOTT?
by sf inwhois information for watchtower.org:.
registrar: network solutions, inc. .
organization: watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. .
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10-4, that's it..Carl Gott! Now I remember!
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NY Telecom & Wonder Woman 77
by Utopian Reformist inwhile it may be "politically correct" to jump all over nytelecom, let's face it, how many of you actually laughed at his post, before recomposing yourself and deciding to "grab a rope" and join the lynch mob?
i wonder who will be honest.
i am not a fan of nytelecom or fredhall or madapostate.
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Another note:
Obesity, diabetes, heart disease and glaucoma are RAMPANT in my immediate family. My mother underwent pace maker surgery only a few months ago and is blind due to glaucoma/cataracts brought on by diabetic complications.
Now, I didn't think it was necessary to share personal tragedies before making comments. But, I guess depending who is on the board on a particular day, it can be just like the WTBS.
Remember how overseers criticized individuals who temporarily lapsed in judgment? You've heard this talk before; "brother so-and-so who went to an x-rated movie, so he could see how bad it was, and now he is an authority". Now, if I am criticized for lapsing into honesty, so-be-it.
I made my personal apologies to WW77 and bear no malice toward anyone. The matter is forgotten with me, if it is with everyone else, most importantly WW77.
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NY Telecom & Wonder Woman 77
by Utopian Reformist inwhile it may be "politically correct" to jump all over nytelecom, let's face it, how many of you actually laughed at his post, before recomposing yourself and deciding to "grab a rope" and join the lynch mob?
i wonder who will be honest.
i am not a fan of nytelecom or fredhall or madapostate.
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To WW77:
Please accept my apologies, my sincere apologies for laughing at an immature, cruel joke. I am sorry I gave into weakness and let a flaw in my character overtake, even for a moment.
I am also sorry I made a public admission. So much for shedding skin, seeking growth and attempting raw honesty. Unfortunately, my error in judgment occured at your expense. Again, I am sorry.
GoldDustWoman/Lady:
Perhaps you did not laugh. Congratulations. I know for a fact, as the crow flies, there are more of you out there in hiding that did and won't admit the truth. That's fine. At least, for better of for worse, I am proved and known as an honest person and can answer for my mistakes, publicly, without shame or prejudice.
I hope everyone conscience can afford them the same luxury.
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Focus: Who is JOEL GOTT?
by sf inwhois information for watchtower.org:.
registrar: network solutions, inc. .
organization: watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. .
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Check your mail Zev!
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NY Telecom & Wonder Woman 77
by Utopian Reformist inwhile it may be "politically correct" to jump all over nytelecom, let's face it, how many of you actually laughed at his post, before recomposing yourself and deciding to "grab a rope" and join the lynch mob?
i wonder who will be honest.
i am not a fan of nytelecom or fredhall or madapostate.
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All right NYT:
You can cool it now. Don't get way ahead of yourself and go overboard. It's not necessary and leave family members alone, unless it's open season in BOTH directions.
Chill!
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Focus: Who is JOEL GOTT?
by sf inwhois information for watchtower.org:.
registrar: network solutions, inc. .
organization: watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. .
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Wow! I wish I could have been there in person. I can imagine a few certain elder's faces. Do you remember these guys:
Ron Mansi
Leonard Ferro
Michael Nardolillo
Joseph Fragose
Ron ShererLet me know if these ring a bell.